User talk:Abzeronow

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Note: Archive for 2018-1st half of 2019 at User:Abzeronow/Archive1 Archive for 2019 to ? will be at User:Abzeronow/Archive2

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Hi, I award you the Public Domain Barnstar for your research on public domain works to be undeleted. I am going through your list. Happy New Year! Yann (talk) 06:35, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Faced with the easy choice of deleting an image or working to correct an error, this user decided that the project could be improved. This generous and honorable action represents the essence of the project. If the project had more souls like Abzeronow's, the quality of the project would increase exponentially. Luizpuodzius (talk) 02:30, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Knarrarosviti 2.jpg

Hi, The image description says "Designed by the engineer Axel Sveinsson (1896-1957)". May be not public domain yet. Regards, Yann (talk) 09:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I missed that. Thanks for the catch, Yann. Abzeronow (talk) 19:46, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Patrick Henry (packet) draft

Thanks for noting that. Have you seen at Smithsonian https://library.si.edu/image-gallery/100280 with copyright data?

Thank you!

Greetings! Recently I have uploaded batches of photos from the Arlington National Cemetery's Official Flickr account with the assumption that the FlickreviewR bot would automatically marked them as PD-compatible. However, it is now required a human reviewer to mark them as PD... Thank you for taking the time and effort to remove the deletion tag on those pictures. Cheers! Quenhitran (talk) 02:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome. PDM can be a pain to sort through but thankfully I could batch task the Arlington National Cemetery photos for the most part since they had the same photographer from the U.S Army. Glad to be of help. Abzeronow (talk) 23:12, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi, thanks for helping out with the license for the file Mietschulden! I really appreciate it. --JuliaVog (talk) 17:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Restore Portrait of President U.S.A

hello administrator Abzeronow I am writing to ask you if you could please restore these five portraits of US presidents that have been deleted from me:

• File:Portrait of President George W.H Bush.jpg, Work by Herbert Abrams
• File:Portrait of President Bill Clinton.jpg work by Simmie Knox
• File:Portrait of President Gerald Ford.jpg work by Everett Raymond Kinstler
• File:Portrait of President Ronald Reagan.jpg work by Everett Raymond Kinstler
• File:Portrait of Presidente John F. Kennedy.jpg

Tanks --Battrace (talk) 18:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not an admin. Can you show me any evidence that these either had no copyright or they were done by a government employee as part of their official duties? If so, I could start an undeletion request. Abzeronow (talk) 01:58, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Portrait President

thank you for the answer, however as regards the files I asked you about the president of the united states, they are portraits whose source I took directly from the site [[1]] where there is the artistic description of the portraits of the presidents of the united states and the license I put is the following: {PD-USGov-POTUS} --Battrace (talk) 18:43, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

File:Das Cabinet des Dr. Caligari poster.jpg

File:Das Cabinet des Dr. Caligari poster.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:42, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

PD-art Gent

Hi Abzeronow, thanks for you help with MSK Gent. Can you please use {{PD-art}} like this when you correct the license? I'll see if I can undelete some more of these files. Multichill (talk) 16:35, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

OK, I'll add that to files from MSK Gent that don't have a frame. Abzeronow (talk) 16:37, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Also, plenty of files in need of a category, see https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=23589062 . Multichill (talk) 17:03, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

I'll work on adding categories throughout this week for those MSK Gent files. Abzeronow (talk) 18:01, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Congratulations, dear license reviewer

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School of Athens and PD Art

I saw that you tagged File:Schoolofathens.jpg as a copyright violation, mentioning that "Photograph is presumably all rights reserved". Per COM:ART the photograph can have no independent copyright as it is simply a faithful reproduction of an old, public domain, two-dimensional work of art. Given that the painter died in 1520, the photo of the painting is in public domain. C messier (talk) 14:56, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

There appeared to be some 3-D aspects in the photograph which is why I thought that PD-Art did not apply. Abzeronow (talk) 15:01, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Copyright

Hello

I uploaded a photo to Wikipedia and was going to consult you about something. I found the photo online and contacted the owner. When I talked to him, he said that I could use the photo royalty-free and that would be fine, he even sent me the photo himself (it's in his instagram correspondence). However, he said he would be happy if I gave the name of the person who took the photo. And I wrote all these details in both the description and discussion part of the photo. I can even send you my correspondence with the person who took the photo. I ask you to approve the photo on the site.

I wish you a good day and good health.

I leave the link of the photo here as an attachment:

File:Arda Güler in Fenerbahçe jersey (2022).jpg Mintone97 (talk) 20:37, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Photos that were previously published online must have the photographer contact COM:VRT to confirm that they wish to license their photograph under a Commons compatible license. It also sounds like he was talking about your personal use of the photo. Abzeronow (talk) 22:39, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

More photos of Sándor Bojár

Hi!

Please take a look at this: Commons:Deletion requests/File:František Velecký.JPG. Thank you! Hungarikusz Firkász (talk) 07:31, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

OK, I'll notify the uploaders of the additional files and add the DR to the files shortly. Abzeronow (talk) 17:08, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Lotta Svärd badge

The file: Lotta Svärd badge.svg should be deleted: author of the logo died in 1958, undelete in 2029. 2001:999:504:141F:F88C:4591:8CB0:A204 17:11, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Filed a DR. Abzeronow (talk) 17:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Flickr licence reviewing

Re File:Ce soir, -paris s'est mobilisée lors de -EarthHour en éteignant -LaTourEiffel -Cities4Climate (25913677225).jpg

Please note that Flickr users can change the licences they offer content under. If the material was available under a free licence at the time it was uploaded here, then it's still acceptable here. This is normally checked by Flickr reviewing soon after upload (why we need 'bots running quickly) and a review at that time is considered reliable afterwards. Flickr also offers a 'License History' link (small link low on the page) which can show this history (although it has some limitations).

In this case, the licence was originally a free licence, but was revoked on 28 April 2022. However CC licences are irrevocable. Although the material is no longer offered under that licence on Flickr, any previous downloads remain validly licensed. Thus this file should not be deleted.

Also please be careful with speedy deletions. These are only for use when the case for deletion is clear. "Speedy" deletion is misleading here: it's not about doing it more quickly from any sense of urgency, it's about being able to do so because the case is clear-cut (and thus there is little credible reason to question it). If the situation isn't clear-cut, and an apparent lack of licence for a file that has already been here two years unchallenged isn't clear-cut, then it should go through regular DR, not speedy.

Thanks, Andy Dingley (talk) 22:43, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@Andy Dingley: , Even though I've been on this site for almost five years, the meaning of speedy deleting as you just articulated hadn't clicked until you said it. I do try to be careful with that, only speedying obvious copyvios like very recent movie posters and screenshots from video games or TV programs and when a uploader clearly wants their own file deleted. I'll definitely be a lot more careful in how I handle future cases in which the Flickr license changes in between request for license review and when I do the review. Thanks for your message, I will take your words to heart. I will also try to increase the number of files I license review so that Flickr backlog gets further reduced. Abzeronow (talk) 15:22, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Seed catalogs...

Thanks... I am going to take another look at these once I finish the current batch of Petscan items I am checking. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:35, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Any chance you could check the licenses and for notices on the items in

https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=23977891 and https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=23943907 and remove the post 1964 items that do have notices?

Thanks. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:38, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I could probably check the first within a few days which I will start doing today. The latter is going to take some time (1 week or 2 weeks). @Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): Abzeronow (talk) 16:42, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

• Do you see a copyright symbol on the 1964 to 1977 issues. I have been looking at a few and don't see one, maybe I am missing it. If you find one, let me know which page they add it to, and I will look again at that specific page, for the issues where I do not see one. There is no renewal notices that I can find and I looked up to 1994, but sometimes they are under a parent company name. For issues up to 1989 you had 5 years to register. After 1989 all issues are automatically copyrighted. Should we make a list here of what companies we find no symbols and no renewals? Or do we mark them directly in the entry? --RAN (talk) 17:31, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

  That's what I am checking.. and in respect of a few of them I HAd seen a notice of the form : Copyright Name 1929 , so I tagged all the post 1928 images for a specific firm, on a precautionary basis, until they can reviewed individually. I have no objections to fast tag removal if you can't actually find a notice, provided the licenses get updated accordingly and the files are moved to an appropriate year category.

  I am however finding/confirming considerably more files that have no notices than ones that are mislabeled however.

  As an aside - https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2FHenry+G.+Gilbert+Nursery+and+Seed+Trade+Catalog+Collection%2F&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=other , give around 53,000 images, based on current evaluations, that means about 25,000 or so items needing to be checked. It is not possible for a single contributor to evaluate more than about 100 images on reasonable time scale.. This needs support from a large number of other editors, or an automated effort....

  ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:42, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

• Found a copyright notice on page 2 of File:1946 catalog of fruits (IA 1946catalogoffru19town).pdf. Filed a DR, but non-renewal should obviously be checked. Abzeronow (talk) 19:12, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

=No symbols or renewals

• Henry G. Gilbert Nursery
• Tingle Nursery

My request for adminship

Hello! I want to thank you for your participation and input in my recently failed request for adminship. I take every word everybody said in the most constructive way and it is my intention to not only do my best for Commons (as long as time and real life allows me to), but to continue learning and helping out whenever I can. I very much appreciate your support, even though it was pretty obvious my request would fail, but I understand those concerns and considerations and will take them at heart. I hope to see you again, collaborating around Commons. Have a good day. Bedivere (talk) 03:19, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Hopefully your next request goes better. You'd make a good candidate with some more experience. Abzeronow (talk) 18:52, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Unidentified people

Hi Abzeronow, maybe you can help identify the three gentlemen here or here? GeorgHH • talk   22:10, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I'm still working at it. I think the man at left is William Boyce Thompson. The man at right resembles Will H. Hays but I'm not certain. (EDIT: Man on right could be Hermann Hagedorn. The ears definitely match a photograph found with a Google search) @Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): for a second opinion. Abzeronow (talk) 18:03, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

OK, man at left is William Boyce Thompson and man at right is Hermann Hagedorn. https://www.newspapers.com/clip/121822506/roosevelt-memorial-committee-photo-by/ (Uploaded as File:Roosevelt Memorial Committee, photo by International Film Service.jpg). I'll try to figure out who the man in middle is. @GeorgHH: Abzeronow (talk) 18:38, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Is this the same guy: Hermann Hagedorn? --RAN (talk) 19:45, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Yes, the 1964 obituary in the New York Times discusses his connection with Theodore Roosevelt. https://www.nytimes.com/1964/07/28/archives/hermann-hagedorn-biographer-of-theodore-roosevelt-is-dead-author-of.html Abzeronow (talk) 19:49, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• If you want another challenge try: File:National Negro Business League Executive Committee LCCN2014688320.jpg, I added clues in the category, just like you did above. --RAN (talk) 20:03, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Lotta Svärd

How do you do? Could you please explain why did you nominate these file to be deleted? Sincerely, Kwasura (talk) 12:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, your drawing was a derivative work of the Lotta Svärd design created in 1922 by sv:Eric Vasström (1887-1958). Finland protects works for a copyright term of Life of the author plus 70 years so 2029 is when that becomes public domain in Finland. The design is public domain in the United States as it was made available to public in 1922. The DR for it has the Undelete in 2029 category for it so it will be restored to Commons in 2029. Abzeronow (talk) 15:55, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

But it was I who created the .svg image, not Eric Vasström. I do understand that Mr. Eric Vasström owns what he created, but so do I. Please advice. Kwasura (talk) 17:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Please read COM:DW. Yes, your drawing would have its own copyright. The underlying copyright is not yet expired in Finland. Abzeronow (talk) 18:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Underlying copyright of my drawing? --Kwasura (talk) 18:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Your drawing is based on the insignia of the organization right? http://www.alternativefinland.com/lotta-svard-yhdistys/ "Probably the most important, and at times controversial, insignia for the organization was Lotta-pin designed by Eric Vasstrom and introduced in 1922. The main motif of the pin was a blue “hakaristi” (Finnish variation of swastika) and with a heraldic rose in every corner." @Jameslwoodward: to check for ToO. If you believe deletion of your drawing was in error, you can always make a request at COM:UNDEL. Abzeronow (talk) 18:57, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Abzeronow, let us think logically. A person creates drawing, then he uploads it WikiCommons, then its get deleted for violating the copyright. How it is even possible is beyond me, as I am an author of the drawing. It looks like the common sense is not so common anymore. It is bizarre to have a conversation of this kind. Looks like everything (roses, crosses, colour blue, silver metal) it copyrighted regardless of the creator. I guess Eric Vasström will have to wait unit 2029. But I will have to die first, and then someone else will have to wait 70 years after my death before uploading my file. And he probably will not have any right to create his own drawing, because it will violate Eric's and mine copyrights. And it will go on and on until someone will stop this nonsense. --Kwasura (talk) 13:59, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Kwasura, copyright law can sometimes be a pain. Copyright terms are too long, and there aren't enough countries that have a robust Freedom of Panorama exception. But here, we have to respect copyright even if it seems illogical. When you uploaded your drawing to Wikimedia Commons, you as the copyright holder licensed your work with an irrevocable license that allows commercial use and derivatives to made of it (the only restriction on derivatives is that they would have to be as freely licensed as yours, that's what ShareAlike means) and reusers would have to credit you in a reasonable manner that does not imply that you endorse their work. So 2029 is when your file gets restored and any issues with that would be unlikely unless someone reuses your drawing without crediting you. Abzeronow (talk) 15:46, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Kwasura, your SVG has a copyright, but your drawing is a derivative work of the original created by Eric Vasström. Therefore it has two copyrights -- yours and the one that belongs to Vasström's heirs. As Abzeronow has said, the copyright for the original expires in 2029. I think it is probably above the ToO unless the Finnish ToO is very high. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 20:33, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I created SVG to be in the Public Domain. I guess I have a copyright, never thought about it. But anyway I didn't uploaded an original drawing of Eric Vasström, I created and uploaded my own. It sounds like I do not own my own work. Don't you think it's a nonsense? My work is mine by definition. --Kwasura (talk) 13:28, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

• But you can't create something to be public domain if it's inevitably based on source material that isn't itself available for use. That's the case here, until 2029, when the original copyright belonging to the Vasström estate expires.

Possibly this isn't 2029. Maybe Vasström released the copyright before that (which happens a lot with logos, especially through governmental bodies), but you'd have to research that yourself.

Incidentally, the logo appeared (for Lotta Svärd) in 1921. It's itself derived from use by the naiskagaali (Women's Kagal) before this – at least the blue hakaristi. The hakaristi derives from the fylfot of medieval European heraldry and has different proportions to the Sanskrit swastika. Hakaristi were well known in Swedish (thus Finnish) heraldry and were used by von Rosen, who usually gets the credit for introducing [sic] "the swastika" [sic] as a Finnish military badge. Finland did not use swastikas or their proportions until the overlap with the German Reich began (and even then, not always).

Also the roses are slightly incorrect. These are defined as "heraldic roses", which is a fairly broad term. However the classic rose of medieval heraldry, certainly as used in Sweden and Finland, has internal sepals that give it the appearance of a five-pointed star. The rose being used here (SVG clip art?) is a double rose, which isn't normally used in heraldry and is typically associated with the English tudor rose; the double rose there is bi-coloured and has political significance for the Tudors. But that's not applicable here. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:19, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Kathryn Lasky

Hello, I added an image of Kathryn Lasky to Commons. I've found it on the net, and this picture is copyright free for sure. My problem is that I didn't find the precise licence of the image, so I preferred to keep this part empty. But now, the image could be deleted, and I don't want that. Do you know how could I find the precise licence of this image, please?

Thank you, and have a good evening! :) Pelalion (talk) 07:03, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't see any dedication to the public domain on the website so I doubt this photograph is "copyright free". I also don't see a Creative Commons mention anywhere so it probably cannot be hosted here. I'll convert it to a DR though so maybe a suitable license could be discovered. Abzeronow (talk) 15:23, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Question regarding edit to File:Kasperavičius's plane accident, 1939.jpg

Hi! I'm looking at this edit, which inserted the claim that the file was not in the public domain in the United States on the URAA date, despite being published first in 1939. Lithuanian copyright presently grants Life+70, though that law was passed in 1999. Is the basis for the claim that the picture was published under old Soviet copyright laws (i.e. publish+25) until 1999, and thereby was in the PD on the URAA date even if the 1999 law restored Lithuanian copyright until 2009? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:18, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Red-tailed hawk: , the edit had PD-1996 on it. And reading w:Wikipedia:Non-US copyrights that said that in 1996, Lithuania was 50 pma which I had assumed meant publication plus 50 years for anonymous works, and it seemed likely that the photograph was published before 1946. So the thought process was "published with anonymous author before 1946, therefore public domain in 1996 when U.S. copyrights were restored, and again became public domain with 70 pma". Abzeronow (talk) 15:37, 9 May 2023 (UTC)